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Taqiyya: in regards to "moderate Mulsims"

Before I start this post I would like to make a few things clear:

1. I have no personal religion - I am not Christian, I am not Jewish , and I’m not any other religion that would be likely to create this post.

2. Am I an Atheist? No. I do believe there is a grand design to our universe.

3. Am I racist? Good question - I don’t personally think so. I tend to look at the actions of individuals and organized groups before putting in my two cents.

4. Why did I write this? I like to consider myself one of the few in America who still believes in the overall idea of “freedom”. Do I even agree with 25% of the decisions my government makes? NO.

5. Why this specific religion? Because I love my current amount of freedom. I will do everything I can to protect it, and I see this specific religion as an immediate threat to my freedom. It is the only one, in my mind, that could truly affect the freedoms that I and my countrymen currently enjoy. More than anything, by shear numbers. When Muslims become the majority in any country, they will declare Shariah Law. This bodes doom for my own level of freedom.

We have seen Nazis. We have seen Communism. We have seen the ideologies of true monsters over the last 2000 years. It’s about time that at least one country, although hopefully many, take a stand against “world tyranny” long before it happens this time.

I do not consider Islam a Religion at this point. I consider them a socio-economic, political, world party that seeks the domination of all.

Because the most common attacks on this type of post is to use a “reverse attack” on Christianity and Judaism, I will try to do my best following each section to compare the religions, in actual fact, not just emotional, or for that matter “planted” idealism.

As I stated before, I belong to NO religion. Do not address me as Christian, Jewish, Atheist, Wiccan, Satanist, or any other religion.

As a NON-RELIGOUS person, I see the Islamic religion as a direct and immediate threat to my freedoms and my life.

That being said, I will state my post.

1. Taqiyya and the “moderate Muslim”


Taqiyya was something I learned about around a year ago. Rather that copying other peoples research, I would rather state my own point on it and leave the articles at the end for people to research themselves. You will either learn what I have learned, or you will simply deny it, not research it, and go on with your daily lives. Those that do not research this will ignore a coming evil of the likes you can not imagine.

My personal opinion:

Taqiyya is the demand by Mohammed to “lie” to the infidels.

Simple and sweet. Mohammed used this tactic in a war type manner several times throughout his life and then preached deception after the fact. If you are a devout Muslim, it is your responsibility to lie to all non believers regarding your religion. “Moderate” Muslims are either:

1. Unaware, of what is being taught (I will get into this later).
2. Very aware Muslims, who are simply following the faith of their leader, Mohammed, and lying to you to promote the true purpose of their religion, which is, has been, and will always be world domination, through Shariah law.

The links on this are as follows:

www.islam-watch.org...

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

www.meforum.org...

www.al-islam.org...

www.danielpipes.org...

www.answering-islam.org...

www.hauns.com...

There are hundreds more, but hopefully you get the point.


As promised, I will discuss the Bible and the Torah every time I finish a segment.

1. Do either the Bible or the Torah, commend lying and deception? I know the response will be, “No, the Christians and Jews lie on their own.” Even so, that makes them individuals and not a group of people lying and using acts of deception because their “Holy Book” commands it.


Part 2: Contradictions in the Koran:

This is very simple. Mohammed started out as a peace loving “prophet”, and then later became a war mongering megalomaniac. It states specifically in the Koran, that any time a contradiction appears, to automatically refer to the “latter” statements vs. the “earlier” statements. Therefore all “Moderate Muslims” Either do not understand this, or are referring to the earlier scripture under the defined terms of Taqiyya”

Islam is not a religion of peace, it is one of war:

Following links:

www.beholdthebeast.com...

wikiislam.net...

www.babylonforsaken.com...

www.liveleak.com...

www.rim.org...


Part 3. The life of Mohammed:

For this I am glad I live in a Country where freedom of speech is still allowed., “Other than the death threats against “South Park”. Anybody who dares to attack Mohammed is automatically doomed to death. Sorry, not going to be docile quite that quickly, because I am a freedom loving American, and I can see you coming from thousands of miles away. The life of Mohammed started as one of peace, before he became the war mongering, megalomaniac, that dominates the later parts of the Koran.

Sources: (though few of the many)

www.cyberistan.org...

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

www.google.com...=The+life+of+Mohammed&hl=en&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=wzhzTO_pKsP2nAeml5GsDw&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CEEQ5wIwC g&fp=ad526d12389e3c08


Part 4.:

Evidence the takeover is already happening.

The “Extremist Muslims” Have already figured out this game. It is very simple, “pick the countries that are the most politically correct, take over there first. Then continue to take over from there when we have enough political power to do so.”

Europe was the first source of attack. They were the first ones willing to allow mass immigration. They were the most politically correct western region in the world. They are paying for it now and will continue to do so until they are under Shariah law.

Sources:

www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCS-GLzHK1mY%26p%3DC2F97B29C82A092C%26playnext%3D1%26index%3D5

www.youtube.com...

It is said that in 50 years The Muslim population will be the majority in Europe. At which time it will be “very easy to convert and control all local laws”. Others have said they only need ten years to accomplish this through the “majority of Europe”.

A note to the Muslim Empire. You may think, that because of our politicians, our “Hollywood representatives”, and the PC who inhabit our websites, that we are “prime for the picking”. The truth is we are the one country who will stand up to you, no matter what.


Summary: The fact remains that this entire religion is based on the words of one man. That’s right, just one. This man was a war monger and a pedophile. “unless you think taking a nine year old bride is OK.” Which some of you will. This religion is a real and direct threat, and should not be under any form of PC protection. If you are American, and you care about your country, you can still fight this. If you are European, it may be too late. <BR clear=all>
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Welcome to the Cafe Dreamwalker.

You will find similar posts here as well.

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Good post and welcome to cc.net, dreamwalker. :)

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Welcome to the Cafe Dreamwalker.

You will find similar posts here as well.


That is VERY good to hear. I was convieniently "nudged" out of another site for the same post. I appreciate the level of freedom here, and will remain an active member.

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When Muslims become the majority in any country, they will declare Shariah Law. This bodes doom for my own level of freedom. We have seen Nazis. We have seen Communism.


I think you are basing your reactions on fear. The Nazis did not take over the world. The Communists did not take over the world, and Muslims will not take over the world. There is room on this planet for everyone to live in peace but we must first step out of fear and stop annihilating each other. If you want peace then peace must first begin with you.
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I do not consider Islam a Religion at this point. I consider them a socio-economic, political, world party that seeks the domination of all.


Yes, and they could say the same things about America; especially the Fundamental Christian Right...especially when they were sitting in the White House as they have done during the Bush years.


Also, just so you know, those links are all biased against Islam. Before you make up your mind one way or the other (and either way is fine with me as I have no agenda except to be fair to both sides) you should also see what Islam says in regards to Taqiyya. Otherwise, stating only one view creates divisiveness and more Islamaphobia in this country (like we need help getting more of that).

Most of those sites you linked into focuses on a very narrow use of the term taqiyya, which is sometimes used to refer to dissimulation allowed to Shias to preserve their own lives and the lives of others. Much of the information appears to be cherry-picked citations from the Quran, the sayings of the Prophet and secondary works.

Also, you should consider that all people, not just Muslims, engage in deception during war. As far as the actual word itself, the word taqiyya "never appears in the Quran. The root in other forms appears in various contexts, but it never means dissimulation. The English 'guard against' is a translation of a verb that is taken from the same root as the word taqiyya but it has nothing to do linguistically with lying or deception. It is similar to the word "rapture" never appearing in the Bible. The phrase "to be caught up in the air" is used and has now been called "the rapture".

I know these are all just semantics but I thought if you are really looking to find the truth, you should know there is another side to the story. There usually always is.

Edited by Mudpuppy, 31 August 2010 - 02:02 PM.


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When Muslims become the majority in any country, they will declare Shariah Law. This bodes doom for my own level of freedom. We have seen Nazis. We have seen Communism.


I think you are basing your reactions on fear. The Nazis did not take over the world. The Communists did not take over the world, and Muslims will not take over the world. There is room on this planet for everyone to live in peace but we must first step out of fear and stop annihilating each other. If you want peace then peace must first begin with you.
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I do not consider Islam a Religion at this point. I consider them a socio-economic, political, world party that seeks the domination of all.


Yes, and they could say the same things about America; especially the Fundamental Christian Right...especially when they were sitting in the White House as they have done during the Bush years.


Also, just so you know, those links are all biased against Islam. Before you make up your mind one way or the other (and either way is fine with me as I have no agenda except to be fair to both sides) you should also see what Islam says in regards to Taqiyya. Otherwise, stating only one view creates divisiveness and more Islamaphobia in this country (like we need help getting more of that).

Most of those sites you linked into focuses on a very narrow use of the term taqiyya, which is sometimes used to refer to dissimulation allowed to Shias to preserve their own lives and the lives of others. Much of the information appears to be cherry-picked citations from the Quran, the sayings of the Prophet and secondary works.

Also, you should consider that all people, not just Muslims, engage in deception during war. As far as the actual word itself, the word taqiyya "never appears in the Quran. The root in other forms appears in various contexts, but it never means dissimulation. The English 'guard against' is a translation of a verb that is taken from the same root as the word taqiyya but it has nothing to do linguistically with lying or deception. It is similar to the word "rapture" never appearing in the Bible. The phrase "to be caught up in the air" is used and has now been called "the rapture".

I know these are all just semantics but I thought if you are really looking to find the truth, you should know there is another side to the story. There usually always is.


Oh, how very dreamy " There is room on this planet for everyone to live in peace but we must first step out of fear and stop annihilating each other. If you want peace then peace must first begin with you." Anybody with that sort of woolly thinking and there are unfortunatly so many people who do think like that, then they have their head in the sand and obviously are not in the trenches where the real fighting is going on risking there own arse. It is no good me just being peaceful while the other side wants to take my head off or slowly take over by stealth, all in the vain hope that one day they will stop hating us and we can all have a big cuddle. In reality all the real grown ups know you have to fight for peace, it's a sad fact of human nature. And no my arse isn't in the trenches either. In 2007 it was estimated that there were 53 million muslims in Europe (16 million in the EU) while there are only 2.5 million in the US, but according to the official state department worksheet there are over 6 million in the US, 1.7 of whom are of African American origin and it is also estimated that 17,500 African Americans are converting to Islam every year. For example there are 1.7 million Muslims in the UK alone. In the UK our politicians are so weak that they won't even allow a proper debate about the alarming rate of immigration in case they are accused of racism and they are powerless to stop the incoming tide anyway as they are so incompetent and they have no real idea of how many immigrants are really here.. Our whole media is so ultra liberal and PC that it has gone beyond a joke. There are so many people of UK descent that are quietly fuming about what is going on around them when they see Muslims protest and shout insulting inflammatory remarks. but are powerless to do or say anything themselves for fear of being labeled racist as are the police. Free speech is a fantastic thing, but a hard pill to swallow when they are shouting death to the infidel and it's frowned upon if you shout back. According to the latest wikileaks furore a U.S. diplomatic cable from January 2009 quoted a poll by the Centre for Social Cohesion that out of 600 muslim students polled in 30 different universities in the UK. 1 in 3 students backed killing for Islam and 40 % want sharia law. Talk about your enemies within, and yes in some cases it is wise to be paranoid. I will never forget the words of a young muslim on a television interview years ago who had covered his face going on about how muslims will one day take over and rule the the world and how they are going to get their revenge and how the west will pay, you Know the usual psycotic shit they normally drivel on about in a news interview. And this reporter said to him that there were to many moderate muslims for that to happen and his reply was to mock this interveiwer by laughing and simply saying "what moderates?" There is no such thing as a moderate muslim, don't kid yourself they are only interested in their buisness interests in this country, they are secretly itching for revenge just as much as we are." That speaks volumes of truth to me as it was just an off the cuff remark and I could imagine every muslim in the country at that moment all shouting in unison at there television screens " shut up you stupid bastard." I don't have an axe to grind with Islam as a religion I think all religions are rediculous and hateful and I don't believe in any of it. Islam is expensionist and always has been, they can't understand how us infidels have prospered the way we have and they feel humiliated by this. Yes, you're right there are two sides to every story, but unfortunatly for us in the UK we just keep on hearing their side.

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Edited by d1sb1l1ef, 24 January 2011 - 12:53 AM.


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Disbelief,

I was wondering when you would come across this.

I'll try and dig something up from your neck of the woods from an old Email received from a friend living in your country.

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Disbelief,

I was wondering when you would come across this.

I'll try and dig something up from your neck of the woods from an old Email received from a friend living in your country.


That will be interesting. I'll look forward to reading it.

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I wanted to revisit this in retrospect. It has been just over a year since I joined the Cafe. This was the first post I ever put up after being kicked off of ATS for the exact same post. I wanted to really take a look back and contemplate what I have learned over the last year, and see how much my own opinions had differed. I can honestly say on this topic, I have not changed in any way. I still consider the Muslim Empire a serious threat. I still consider the politically correct who allow Shariah law to take form and create a stable footing in any Westernized Country, just as diabolical.

Call me racist, call me what you will. The greatest thing I have learned over the last year is to hold my ground, stand for my own beliefs, and to seprerate truth from the political hopefulness that everything will be sunny, cozy, and fuzzy warm if it is ignored long enough. Sure I now believe that we (the U.S) are in a full blown cold war with China.

I still believe that the worse elements of the former KGB still hold the greatest amount of power in Russia. I think North Korea is still a monumental threat (mostly as a fuse lighter) though only because China allows them to be.

I deplore all the efforts the U.S., Europe, and NATO as a whole have accomplished in putting the Muslim Brotherhood in control of Egypt and all the other Mid-East nations that are currently collapsing. It is almost too obvious that we are simply attempting to destabilize Iran. The whole time ignoring the fact that we are putting Al Queda and other Western hating elements in place of the leaders/ dictators that are falling. Yes Saudi Arabia is scared to death as they should be. Though the final straw still lies with the U.S. alliance with Israel. The second we ever turn our backs on Israel, WWIII will be very real, very shortly.


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Wow -2 rep points with one post! Must be doing something right. Stopped caring about the Popularity contest back at ATS. Just speaking my mind. No debate? Just scorn? I love it.

Edited by dreamwalker, 29 August 2011 - 05:10 AM.

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