[Bettawrekonize]

I read about Red Yeast rice a long time ago and even posted a (now expired) webpage about it here
( http://meltingpot.fo...290/health.html ). However, I decided to look it up on google and came across some interesting websites and updates. I want to post some comments on this thread.

First, because red yeast rice was found to contain lovastatin, the FDA made an administrative decision that this dietary supplement (often sold as Cholestin in earlier times) was a regulable drug, and thus removed it from the unregulated shelves of the health food store.

http://heartdisease..../Nrxcol_rry.htm

Basically, the FDA decided to ban this drug because it contained a regulated substance. At the time that this happened, there were no studies indicating that it was harmful, no cases of anyone dying from it, and there were studies indicating that it was an effective drug at reducing cholesterol.

Studies using the "original" form of red yeast rice accordingly confirmed significant reductions in cholesterol levels.

http://heartdisease..../Nrxcol_rry.htm

Results from a large randomized trial conducted in China, published in the American Journal of Cardiology, show that, in patients with prior myocardial infarctions (heart attacks) who were given an extract made from red yeast rice, the risk of having another heart attack and the risk of dying were reduced by nearly 50%.

In the Chinese Coronary Secondary Prevention Study, nearly 5,000 heart attack survivors received either Xuezhikang (XZK, a red yeast rice extract) or placebo in a double-blinded randomized clinical trial -- neither the patient nor the doctors knew which substance individual patients received. After an average of 4.5 years, patients receiving XZK had a 45% relative reduction in heart attacks and in death.

http://heartdisease...._yeast_rice.htm

From my understanding, the Chinese have used Red Yeast rice in their food for at least hundreds of years ( http://www.mayoclini...atient-redyeast ).

Approximately one year before Baycol was removed from the market in August 2001, its manufacturer Bayer, using FDA data on other statins found that Baycol had 20 times more reports of rhabdomyolysis (an often-fatal destruction of muscle) per million prescriptions than Lipitor, Wolfe stated.
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By the time Baycol was banned, there were 1,899 cases of rhabdomyolysis, a significant number having occurred between the time there was unequivocal evidence that FDA should have banned the drug and when it was actually banned a year later.

http://www.weitzlux....olfda_3729.html

If memory serves me correctly, some people died from this drug ( http://www.a-baycol-...html/links.html ).

Then, in 1999, the FDA ruling on red rice yeast was overturned by the court of the District of Utah

The court basically ruled that, because the substance in Red Yeast Rice occurs naturally in red yeast rice, the FDA can't regulate red yeast rice just because it contains that substance.

But finally, in 2000, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that red yeast rice IS subject to FDA regulation. Since then, the FDA has aggressively gone after companies selling red rice yeast containing lovastatin. While red rice yeast is still available on the grocer's shelf, the stuff that is out there now is apparently fermented using a different process, and apparently (I say "apparently" because it is in fact extraordinarily difficult to find out what dietary supplements do and do not contain) does NOT contain lovastatin.

Who's side is the FDA on. It seems like they are siding with the pharmaceutical companies on this one. I googled red yeast rice and the FDA and this came up,

FDA Warns Consumers to Avoid Red Yeast Rice Products Promoted on Internet as Treatments for High Cholesterol
Products found to contain unauthorized drug
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“This risk is even more serious because consumers may not know the side effects associated with lovastatin and the fact that it can adversely interact with other medications," said Steven Galson, M.D., M.P.H., director of FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.

http://www.fda.gov/b...7/NEW01678.html

Basically, the FDA is warning people to avoid Red Yeast rice because it can be harmful despite the fact that there are few, if any, studies indicating this. One possibility is that they will try to control the usage of Red Yeast rice even more and they may even try to eliminate the distribution of any information supporting its usage (ie: studies). Sometime in the future, you might find that Google will stop presenting any studies supporting the usage of Red Yeast Rice (and may present a bunch of FDA or other websites discouraging its usage instead. A good example is in the case of science and origins. If you try to google something like, "criticisms of evolution" Google tends to favor websites that support evolution and the ones criticizing it don't seem to be nearly the strongest critical material out there. If I google "criticisms of evolution" I should receive many websites criticizing, or attempting to criticize, evolution near the top. I have to specifically google something like 'Answers in genesis' to get their website) and the FDA, and/or other organizations, may even fabricate studies indicating that Red Yeast rice is more harmful than it really is (and is less helpful than it really is). What does everyone think?

Look at radio stations and television. It used to be much less controlled by single entities with a single agenda/ point of view and it used to be much more controlled by many many entities with various points of views criticizing each other on all sorts of subjects. Then, the FCC greatly reduced the amount of regulation which made more stringent control reducing the freedom of speech taking place over the airwaves much easier to attain ( http://www.museum.tv...eregulation.htm ). In the 1970,'s no one would have thought that single entities would have so much control over our freedom of speech over the airwaves. Yet, now we see that they are increasingly having more and more control over our freedom of speech over the airwaves and censoring anything that they disagree with (for example, you will probably never hear about this red yeast rice issue over the airwaves, and there is an array of other issues that you should be aware of that hardly ever make it on public television). Could it be that, sometime in the future, they may have similar controls over our freedom of speech over the internet? What does everyone think? I strongly encourage other entities to make their own search engines to help counter this problem and hopefully they will fight any lawsuits against them for displaying websites that question what is commonly promoted by the secular community (ie: sites encouraging the legalization (and usage) of Red Yeast rice for those who could benefit from it (and sites displaying studies showing the benefits of Red Yeast Rice and cites questioning the legitimacy of the FDA)). We also need to make sure that our society is set up such that those that fight for our freedom of speech (ie: fight lawsuits that may challenge it. This is especially true in the case of science and origins where public schools censor anything that may question naturalism and naturalistic philosophies like evolution) will win (we need to make sure those making the decisions (ie: judges) will vote in a way that encourages academic freedom, open inquiry, and freedom of speech).

[Syzygy]

What an astonishing coincidence!

I just started taking Red Yeast Rice for my cholesterol only three days ago!

Some Entity is really working overtime at Cosmic Coincidence Control....

[Mudpuppy]

Welcome to Conspiracy Cafe, Bettawrekonzie.

Great post. Alot of interesting stuff to read.

[Bettawrekonize]

What an astonishing coincidence!

I just started taking Red Yeast Rice for my cholesterol only three days ago!

Some Entity is really working overtime at Cosmic Coincidence Control....

Thank you so much.

[Darkwolf2]

This might be a dumb question, but what exactly is red yeast rice? I know what rice and yeast are, but yeast rice.

[Bettawrekonize]

This might be a dumb question, but what exactly is red yeast rice? I know what rice and yeast are, but yeast rice.

Wikipedia has a good explanation

Red yeast rice (Chinese: 紅麴米, 红曲米; pinyin: hóng qú mǐ; lit. "red yeast rice"), red fermented rice, red kojic rice, red koji rice, or ang-kak, is a bright reddish purple fermented rice, which acquires its colour from being cultivated with the mold Monascus purpureus.

http://en.wikipedia..../Red_yeast_rice

I also want to add this from Wikipedia.

In 2006 Liu et al published a meta-analysis of clinical trials (Chinese Med 2006;1:4-17). The article cited 93 published, controlled clinical trials (91 published in Chinese). Total cholesterol decreased by 35 mg/dl, LDL-cholesterol by 28 mg/dl, triglycerides by 35 mg/dl, and HDL-cholesterol increased by 6 mg/dl. Zhao et al reported on a four-year trial in people with diabetes (J Cardio Pharmacol 2007;49:81-84). There was a 40-50% reduction in cardio events and cardio deaths in the treated group. Ye et al reported on a four-year trial in elderly Chinese patients with heart disease (J Am Geriatr Soc 2007;55:1015-22). Deaths were down 32%. There is at least one report in the literature of a statin-like myopathy caused by red yeast rice (Mueller PS. Ann Intern Med 2006;145:474-5). An article in the June 15, 2008, issue of the American Journal of Cardiology found that red yeast rice may provide benefits beyond those provided by statins. The researchers reported that the benefits seemed to exceed those reported with lovastatin alone.^[1]

http://en.wikipedia..../Red_yeast_rice

Studies seem to indicate that this is safer and more effective than many drugs not outlawed by the FDA (with fewer side effects), yet the FDA seems to be preventing people from using it for NO GOOD REASON. They make things illegal so we can't study their benefits and as a result, there are probably many things that can benefit our health (and replace expensive drugs with bad side effects) that we are simply unaware of and that we can't study to figure out how effective they are and what their ramifications are. We need to be careful to prevent such a tyrannical governmental entity from bombarding us with misinformation and presenting it as fact.

This post has been edited by Bettawrekonize: 05 September 2008 - 02:51 AM

[Bettawrekonize]

I think I found the original site I linked to a long time ago (it moved).

The prescription drugs called statins that are being taken by so many people are life-threatening. Bayer's drug Baycol had to be removed from the market in August, 2001 because it caused over 100 deaths. Yet, the FDA wants to force you to take these drugs rather than the much safer RYR.
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I have been taking CholesteSure by Natrol* with my physician's knowledge and he is very happy with the results of the lowering of my cholesterol. I tried one of the drug companies' cholesterol lowering drugs last November, 2000 and almost died. I had an allergic reaction and my doctor told me to stop taking it. I did. He said we would just monitor my cholesterol and for me not take any prescription medications. I decided to do a little research on the web and found many studies done on Red Yeast Rice. I talked to my doctor in January, 2001 and he agreed that I should try it. I did and after 3 months my total cholesterol dropped down from 286 to 225. I have had no side effects. Also my blood pressure is lower. * Editor's note: Due to FDA pressure, Natrol no longer carries Red Yeast Rice products.

http://www.cholester...g/ryrandfda.htm

Like I said, this is ridiculous. This manner of behavior by the FDA is not acceptable.

[Bettawrekonize]

The FDA seems to be fine with not outlawing drugs that seem to be far more dangerous than Red Yeast Rice.

In an article by Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig, PhD we are told, “The most common side effect (of statin drugs) is muscle pain and weakness, a condition called rhabdomyolysis, most likely due to the depletion of Co-Q10, a nutrient that supports muscle function.” Rhabdomyalysis is a common, many times lethal, tearing down of the muscle tissue which is then distributed into the bloodstream. The article goes on to say, “Dr. Beatrice Golomb of San Diego, California is currently conducting a series of studies on statin side effects. The industry insists that only 2-3 percent of patients get muscle aches and cramps but in one study, Golomb found that 98 percent of patients taking Lipitor and one-third of the patients taking Mevachor (a lower-dose statin) suffered from muscle problems.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022046.html

I also found this interesting.

The statin drugs do lower cholesterol, but the reason drug companies spend so much money to market synthetic or modified substances is that they cannot patent natural substances. When it was discovered that the statin-like molecule in red-yeast-rice occurred naturally, FDA should have withdrawn the patent on Mevacor.

However, the rule of FDA on red yeast rice that it should be withdrawn, is not correct since cholestin found in red yeast rice is a natural substance and falls under the protection of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act.

Of course, the FDA can remove any substance that poses a health risk from the market , natural or otherwise, but their actions on this product clearly shows their bias against dietary supplements and their favorable treatment of drugs.

http://www.all-about...yeast-rice.html

[Bettawrekonize]

Welcome to Conspiracy Cafe, Bettawrekonzie.
Great post. Alot of interesting stuff to read.

Thank you so much. I actually meant to thank you the last time, but for some reason, it quoted the other person. Lol. I guess I still need to get used to these message boards.

Oh, it was in outline format and I want it in standard. ROFLOL. That's probably what confused me. I'm used to standard and it switched.

This post has been edited by Bettawrekonize: 06 September 2008 - 05:10 PM

[Bettawrekonize]

Now a pharmaceutical corporation wants to outlaw vitamin B6 and make it a drug.

Health Freedom Warning: Drug Company Seeks to Outlaw Vitamin B6 to Protect Pharma Profits

The latest attack against vitamins comes from an FDA petition filed by Medicure Pharma, Inc., which has astonishingly asked the FDA to ban the sale of Vitamin B6!

Vitamin B6, of course, is a naturally-occurring nutrient found in numerous vegetables, nuts and whole grains. Its natural form is called pyridoxal 5'-phosphate or P5P for short. It's an essential nutrient for expectant mothers, growing children and anyone who wishes to be healthy. It's absolutely crucial for healthy blood cell function, and it's used in over 100 enzymatic reactions involving protein metabolism.

http://www.naturalnews.com/023514.html

[StarLord]

Hmm,

Slaon Kettering mentions that Grapefruit Juice "" Grapefruit juice greatly increases serum concentrations of lovastatin and lovastatin acid""

http://www.mskcc.org.../html/69352.cfm

One of the biggest incidences of side effects is Gas. Sounds like a bargain to me if it really lowers the numbers significantly.

Syzygy,

How much Red Yeast Rice are you consuming per week and how do you prepare it? (like Brown or White Rice?)

This post has been edited by StarLord: 19 September 2008 - 06:17 PM

[Bettawrekonize]

Hmm,

Slaon Kettering mentions that Grapefruit Juice "" Grapefruit juice greatly increases serum concentrations of lovastatin and lovastatin acid""

http://www.mskcc.org.../html/69352.cfm

One of the biggest incidences of side effects is Gas. Sounds like a bargain to me if it really lowers the numbers significantly.

Syzygy,

How much Red Yeast Rice are you consuming per week and how do you prepare it? (like Brown or White Rice?)

Oh great, now the evil FDA may try to regulate that as well. After all, they almost tried to regulated cherries because of their medicinal abilities.

But it seems that my joke wasn’t so funny after all, because the FDA is now threatening cherry growers with raids to confiscate their cherries, haul them into court, and put them out of business for doing one simple thing that the FDA cannot stand to allow: The distribution of scientific information describing the health benefits of cherries.

On October 17, 2005, the FDA sent warning letters to 29 companies that market cherries. In these letters, the FDA threatened these companies with legal action and told them they had to remove the scientific information on their websites that described the health benefits of the natural medicines found in cherries, such as the anthocyanins that reduce inflammation for arthritis sufferers. According to the warped FDA logic that now seems to be standard, when cherry growers post scientific information about the health benefits of their cherries, they magically transform their cherries into drugs and therefore, as drugs, they must have FDA approval in order to sell them in the United States.

http://www.naturalnews.com/019366.html

This post has been edited by Bettawrekonize: 20 September 2008 - 05:30 PM