[Peter]

In April 2005, a new self-proclaimed time traveler briefly appeared in TTI and TTF and made a few predictions :

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Apr 20th, 2005, 09:16am
The Following are all events that will shortly come to pass. In your immediate futures. I will not give dates for these events, and although these may seem rather generic statements I assure you they are founded in reality based on fact. In the small chance that the posting of this information changes the outcome of the events, I see no way in which the events depicted would unfold "That much" differently than in my history.

- A Pre-emptive strike occurs between two war bound countries in Europe/Asia.
- 2 Federal buildings are completely destroyed.
- A Sudden outbreak of influenza.
- The Patriot Act ends up in court, its powers used to spy on civilians "For their own good"
- A 3rd becomes next.
- A Massive Financial meltdown that puts the Euro as the preferred Global Currency. Repercussions abound to the almighty US Dollar.
- A New form of computer virus programmed by a small team of individuals sweeps the globe within 24 hours.
- The Telluride Occurrence

Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but it now looks like the first and fourth ones are in play. Virtually everyone expects Israel to bomb the shit out of Iran in March purely for pre-emptive purposes (i.e., before Iran gets the bomb), and two major lawsuits were filed today in federal court that seek to make Bush stop spying on US citizens.

- Peter
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[His Honour]

Peter, were you a member in those times when Zeshua was posting?

[Scott]

peterNovak, on Jan 18 2006, 02:29 PM, said:

In April 2005, a new self-proclaimed time traveler briefly appeared in TTI and TTF and made a few predictions :


Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but it now looks like the first and fourth ones are in play. Virtually everyone expects Israel to bomb the shit out of Iran in March purely for pre-emptive purposes (i.e., before Iran gets the bomb), and two major lawsuits were filed today in federal court that seek to make Bush stop spying on US citizens.

- Peter
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It does look obvious indeed, as does the inevitable - "A Massive Financial meltdown that puts the Euro as the preferred Global Currency. Repercussions abound to the almighty US Dollar." This is bound to happen sooner or later.

I still wonder about "- A 3rd becomes next." Could it be that Bush serves a third term?
Perhaps it means that "A third Bush" (Jeb?) will come into the Whitehouse?
Or the “third Nuke to be dropped on a city” ?

I still rattle my little brain about "- The Telluride Occurrence "

[sosuemetoo]

Judge Bean, on Jan 17 2006, 10:46 PM, said:

Peter, were you a member in those times when Zeshua was posting?

Since Peter's not online and you are Judge...

Yes Peter was online at the time of Zeshua's posting. NiteScott as well.

[Peter]

Judge Bean, on Jan 17 2006, 10:46 PM, said:

Peter, were you a member in those times when Zeshua was posting?

As I recall, I wasn't there to witness the earliest Zeshua posts, but I happened upon the whole thing about a month after Zeshua started posting. In fact that was what got me involved with TTI and TTF in the first place; before that I'd only posted occasionally at Anomalies, and of course in my own "divisiontheory" discussion group.

It has been only nine months since Zeshua made those predictions, which were to occur "shortly", "in our immediate futures". Nine months certainly fits that bill, but since we find that we can suddenly see two of these predictions happening today, I wonder if all the rest of them will now transpire in short order, within the next six months to a year? The financial meltdown, the federal buildings destroyed, and possibly the mysterious "Telluride Occurrence" could conceivably all be repercussions from the Iran war.

- Peter

[Risata]

Im surprised no one feels that the Bird flu fits this description of a sudden outbreak of influenza. At least, a sudden outbreak in the news about it.....

[Peter]

Risata, on Jan 18 2006, 10:10 AM, said:

Im surprised no one feels that the Bird flu fits this description of a sudden outbreak of influenza. At least, a sudden outbreak in the news about it.....

Bird Flu certainly seems poised to fulfill this prediction, but as of yet there hasn't been anything like a "widespread outbreak" in the human population.

- Peter

[His Honour]

OK, if we're going to discuss whether this Zeshua/Jesus character is an actual time traveler or prophet, I think it'd be fair and appropriate to repost his stuff here where everyone can have a skeptical shot at it. To simply list his predictions and point to some of them as having occurred is to illogically assert that the others are inevitable, and to accomplish nothing really but frighten everyone about unknown matters.

[Peter]

Ok, I have compiled the actual predictions and prophecies from out of the larger set of Zeshua's postings, and here they are. I suppose some additional comments Zeshua made about life in 2026 might also be viewed as predictions, but they aren't relevant to anything that might be going on today.

I know that many of the folks here at cc.net were involved in the Zeshua threads, and if I have mis-edited or otherwise distorted the following, I trust they will point that out.

- Peter

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The Following are all events that will shortly come to pass. In your immediate futures. I will not give dates for these events, and although these may seem rather generic statements I assure you they are founded in reality based on fact. In the small chance that the posting of this information changes the outcome of the events, I see no way in which the events depicted would unfold "That much" differently than in my history.

- A Pre-emptive strike occurs between two war bound countries in Europe/Asia. [Peter's comment: Israel vs. Iran, March 2006?]

- 2 Federal buildings are completely destroyed.

- A Sudden outbreak of influenza. [bird flu 2006?]

- The Patriot Act ends up in court, its powers used to spy on civilians "For their own good" [cases filed January 2006]

- A 3rd becomes next.

- A Massive Financial meltdown that puts the Euro as the preferred Global Currency. Repercussions abound to the almighty US Dollar.

- A New form of computer virus programmed by a small team of individuals sweeps the globe within 24 hours.

- The Telluride Occurrence

The next major event for the United States in your upcoming time is a Crisis, look to the skies and you might find the answer you seek.. [Katrina? Hurricanes are in the sky, after all, and this was the next major event that occurred in the US after Zeshua wrote this in April 2005]

You want to know who John Titor is? This fictitious character supposedly from 2038. Well, living now in 2026, We don't know who John Titor is. You, None of you, know what's Coming for you. There is a war looming, on the horizon, just as John Said. There Will be Waco type events, there will be a continuation of what you now only sense as small vibrations.

As I said, we don't know who JT was(is). Nobody I know, but surprisingly he's considered similar to a modern day Nostradamus. The Story seemed to fall apart but the facts remained? Does that make sense? The basics of this John Titor (this fictitious character) actually came to pass, many things will happen in your immediate futures. I remained steadfast that we would not communicate with any timeline later than 2009. Waco type events, he should have just come right out and said 9/11 type events. You will all be surprised when the veil comes down and you realize that you aren't 100% free anymore. The Civil War, its not what you think it will be, its not started by anything you might think. No its not Yellowstone erupting (I Love you yellies), although that hasn't happened yet. Mt St Helens blew her cap again, bigger than the last but nothing that really concerned anybody. Lets just say, it was one of those "I know where I was on that day, even though it was no big deal." The Civil War, which is more of a Global Civil War, is the same all over the globe. It is truly a David versus Goliath scenario and this is one thing JT never said, this is a worldwide phenomenon. It just happens to be Focused on the United States. You will feel as though you've just been through a movie in which the last 5 minutes changed the entire first 2 hours of the movie, the Twist, as it were, which Cannot be guessed, and cannot be revealed, is very "Unexpected". Once the initial panic is over, the confusion sets in, this is the time Big Brother steps in and you no longer have that cushy 100% freedom you treasure so Dearly. Well, get Used to it.

[The Telluride Occurrence], which I have stated as Not being the Yellowstone Eruption which is talked about for several years, is not so much catastrophic as it is cataclysmic. The catalyst is in place, the powers that be are warming up. With the albeit slow decline of Western Civilizations' most valued currency, many countries hang in the balance, words like "Recession" and "Inflation" take on a whole new meaning. It is truly a Global Economy.

This "Unexpected" occurrence I speak of, will take everyone by surprise. When it happens, and it will, your lives will be indelibly altered and permanently changed as mine has now become. I would also like to state, for the record, this is not the end of the world, life goes on, we are still surviving and getting by. Patience and Cautiousness are now the words of the moment.

Marshall Law is not legally declared in the US. Elections have continued to take place, although some have been sped up to a point many of us thought was almost ludicrous. In some cases an individual post had been filled by means of special elections within less than 2 months.

Q. Will Iran do as they say when they create a nuclear bomb (and drop it on Israel)?

A. No, Not Iran.

Q. When will Yellowstone blow its top?

A.. It has not happened yet. Although I understand it has a natural cycle of ~650,000 years. However even the Earths magnetic field changes more often, I would not worry about it.

Q. What does history say about the Middle East during this decade? What does history say about the US?

A. That Muhammad was a prophet, that Allah was Great, that the mere freedoms we all took for granted in the U.S. were the very things the Arabs in the Middle East were despondent against. History considers the U.S. capitalists in every sense of the word. Led about like a dollar bill hanging from a string on a stick in front of a Donkey. The Rest of the world considers the U.S. as feeling as if they are "Better" than any other country. The Citizens of the US feel their ancestors of your time were blindsided and truly insignificant. Everybody likes to ask about the [Titor] War, that is a question I receive all too often, what causes it, when does it start, who do we fight, who lives, who dies. I find it quite disconcerting, as the reality of the situation is that the war has already begun. I wonder if anybody here knows the current amount of U.S. troops on foreign soil?

[His Honour]

A few problems with this-- and I think that there was some debunking that went on, also, that's not reflected here.

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The Following are all events that will shortly come to pass. In your immediate futures. I will not give dates for these events, and although these may seem rather generic statements I assure you they are founded in reality based on fact. In the small chance that the posting of this information changes the outcome of the events, I see no way in which the events depicted would unfold "That much" differently than in my history.

The usual caveat that serves to leave an out for the prophet is highlighted.

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- A Pre-emptive strike occurs between two war bound countries in Europe/Asia. [Peter's comment: Israel vs. Iran, March 2006?]

There are no "war-bound countries" in Europe or Asia now, and now would seem to be within our "immediate futures" in April, 2005. Iraq and Afghanistan, England and the U.S. and their "allies," are all involved in a war, but none are inclined to launch a nuclear strike. In other words, the U.S. and England are not about to nuke Iraq. They are about to nuke Iran, but Iran is not "war-bound."

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- 2 Federal buildings are completely destroyed.

This is a gratuitous and pernicious thing for Z to have posted in the first place, and, in the second place, he can easily retain his credibility if only one is destroyed, or there is general destruction in a city from a natural disaster.

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- A Sudden outbreak of influenza. [bird flu 2006?]

This has actually been a fairly hot topic of discussion among scientists and doctors for the past few years, and even the avian flu threat was controversial enough to affect commerce in pet birds and poultry. The government calls the shots here: for a while, it apparently wanted us to be afraid of flesh-eating mad-cow disease; then of avian flu and West Nile virus; then of smallpox; now again of mutant avian flu. Hey government-- whatever happened to the smallpox scare? Didn't scare us enough?

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- The Patriot Act ends up in court, its powers used to spy on civilians "For their own good" [cases filed January 2006]

The "Patriot" Act is not the subject of the lawsuits recently filed. The subject is the domestic spying by the NSA outside of any law-- illegal in the strictest sense. The "Patriot" Act may have given Bush and Gonzales something to hang the wiretapping on: at the moment they have nothing.

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- A 3rd becomes next.

Absolute balderdash-- that is, until the usual third celebrity dies. If this refers to the presidential succession passing over Cheney and Bush on account of impeachment and indictment, this has been hashed over repeatedly on the very site Z is posting on, and often since. If it refers to Gov. Bush of Florida becoming president-- well, that, too, has been predicted, and often; so often that to do so one more time would have absolutely no effect. So why not just come right out and say it?

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- A Massive Financial meltdown that puts the Euro as the preferred Global Currency. Repercussions abound to the almighty US Dollar.

Cary has talked about this very thing more than once. Indeed, Iraq was about to make the change to the Euro just before it got invaded by the Dollar. Anybody who could stay awake enough to read the Wall Street Journal could have predicted this a couple of years ago.

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- A New form of computer virus programmed by a small team of individuals sweeps the globe within 24 hours.

What do you think, a remarkable prediction?

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- The Telluride Occurrence

This is my favorite. It is so specific and yet so vague that something big and weird could happen anywhere in the West and qualify; and, if nothing of the kind happens, the prophet can point to the warning about deviation in the actual event predicted. Show you what I mean, I predict that something highly unusual and notable will happen pretty soon in Oregon.

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Waco type events, he should have just come right out and said 9/11 type events. You will all be surprised when the veil comes down and you realize that you aren't 100% free anymore. The Civil War, its not what you think it will be, its not started by anything you might think.

I began to post on the predecessor forums in December, 2003, and from my first post I began to warn about the coming loss of rights and danger to the Constitution. In November, I published an article about the 1942 Internment and how it left the president with the power to mass-arrest citizens. In my first post about Titor, I suggested that he was a fictional character and probably a government disinformation project. Only the stupidest, laziest Americans believe what Bush tells them, and even he tells them that they're not "100% free anymore." A great many people began to warn about the loss of freedom starting with the "Patriot" Act and the strange behavior of Bush.

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You will feel as though you've just been through a movie in which the last 5 minutes changed the entire first 2 hours of the movie, the Twist, as it were, which Cannot be guessed, and cannot be revealed, is very "Unexpected". Once the initial panic is over, the confusion sets in, this is the time Big Brother steps in and you no longer have that cushy 100% freedom you treasure so Dearly. Well, get Used to it.

A confusing and contradictory prophecy. There will be a huge catastrophe that results in the loss of freedom, but there will also be a series of Waco events and a worldwide civil war. In fact, according to Z, almost anything big can happen anywhere in the world and still fit his predictions.

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Marshall Law [sic] is not legally declared in the US. Elections have continued to take place, although some have been sped up to a point many of us thought was almost ludicrous. In some cases an individual post had been filled by means of special elections within less than 2 months.

Spelling has not improved much in the following generation: and the small spelling error probably is an indication of an unfamiliarity with the concepts involved, which works against his overall story, right? The rest of the prediction is nonsense.

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Q. What does history say about the Middle East during this decade? What does history say about the US?

A. That Muhammad was a prophet, that Allah was Great, that the mere freedoms we all took for granted in the U.S. were the very things the Arabs in the Middle East were despondent against. History considers the U.S. capitalists in every sense of the word. Led about like a dollar bill hanging from a string on a stick in front of a Donkey. The Rest of the world considers the U.S. as feeling as if they are "Better" than any other country. The Citizens of the US feel their ancestors of your time were blindsided and truly insignificant. Everybody likes to ask about the [Titor] War, that is a question I receive all too often, what causes it, when does it start, who do we fight, who lives, who dies. I find it quite disconcerting, as the reality of the situation is that the war has already begun. I wonder if anybody here knows the current amount of U.S. troops on foreign soil?

This is nothing but a freestyle attempt to imitate the Titor voice, and is infused with undigested Titor ideas mashed together and topped off with a non sequitur. Nor does it answer the question; nor is the use of the word "despondent" correct. One is not "despondent against" something. The battle-weary Titor was clear and eloquent most of the time-- this Z is full of shit, and his sloppy attempt to copy Titor hurts the eyes.

[His Honour]

A few problems with this-- and I think that there was some debunking that went on, also, that's not reflected here.

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The Following are all events that will shortly come to pass. In your immediate futures. I will not give dates for these events, and although these may seem rather generic statements I assure you they are founded in reality based on fact. In the small chance that the posting of this information changes the outcome of the events, I see no way in which the events depicted would unfold "That much" differently than in my history.

The usual caveat that serves to leave an out for the prophet is highlighted.

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- A Pre-emptive strike occurs between two war bound countries in Europe/Asia. [Peter's comment: Israel vs. Iran, March 2006?]

There are no "war-bound countries" in Europe or Asia now, and now would seem to be within our "immediate futures" in April, 2005. Iraq and Afghanistan, England and the U.S. and their "allies," are all involved in a war, but none are inclined to launch a nuclear strike. In other words, the U.S. and England are not about to nuke Iraq. They are about to nuke Iran, but Iran is not "war-bound."

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- 2 Federal buildings are completely destroyed.

This is a gratuitous and pernicious thing for Z to have posted in the first place, and, in the second place, he can easily retain his credibility if only one is destroyed, or there is general destruction in a city from a natural disaster.

Quote

- A Sudden outbreak of influenza. [bird flu 2006?]

This has actually been a fairly hot topic of discussion among scientists and doctors for the past few years, and even the avian flu threat was controversial enough to affect commerce in pet birds and poultry. The government calls the shots here: for a while, it apparently wanted us to be afraid of flesh-eating mad-cow disease; then of avian flu and West Nile virus; then of smallpox; now again of mutant avian flu. Hey government-- whatever happened to the smallpox scare? Didn't scare us enough?

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- The Patriot Act ends up in court, its powers used to spy on civilians "For their own good" [cases filed January 2006]

The "Patriot" Act is not the subject of the lawsuits recently filed. The subject is the domestic spying by the NSA outside of any law-- illegal in the strictest sense. The "Patriot" Act may have given Bush and Gonzales something to hang the wiretapping on: at the moment they have nothing.

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- A 3rd becomes next.

Absolute balderdash-- that is, until the usual third celebrity dies. If this refers to the presidential succession passing over Cheney and Bush on account of impeachment and indictment, this has been hashed over repeatedly on the very site Z is posting on, and often since. If it refers to Gov. Bush of Florida becoming president-- well, that, too, has been predicted, and often; so often that to do so one more time would have absolutely no effect. So why not just come right out and say it?

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- A Massive Financial meltdown that puts the Euro as the preferred Global Currency. Repercussions abound to the almighty US Dollar.

Cary has talked about this very thing more than once. Indeed, Iraq was about to make the change to the Euro just before it got invaded by the Dollar. Anybody who could stay awake enough to read the Wall Street Journal could have predicted this a couple of years ago.

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- A New form of computer virus programmed by a small team of individuals sweeps the globe within 24 hours.

What do you think, a remarkable prediction?

Quote

- The Telluride Occurrence

This is my favorite. It is so specific and yet so vague that something big and weird could happen anywhere in the West and qualify; and, if nothing of the kind happens, the prophet can point to the warning about deviation in the actual event predicted. Show you what I mean, I predict that something highly unusual and notable will happen pretty soon in Oregon.

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Waco type events, he should have just come right out and said 9/11 type events. You will all be surprised when the veil comes down and you realize that you aren't 100% free anymore. The Civil War, its not what you think it will be, its not started by anything you might think.

I began to post on the predecessor forums in December, 2003, and from my first post I began to warn about the coming loss of rights and danger to the Constitution. In November, I published an article about the 1942 Internment and how it left the president with the power to mass-arrest citizens. In my first post about Titor, I suggested that he was a fictional character and probably a government disinformation project. Only the stupidest, laziest Americans believe what Bush tells them, and even he tells them that they're not "100% free anymore." A great many people began to warn about the loss of freedom starting with the "Patriot" Act and the strange behavior of Bush.

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You will feel as though you've just been through a movie in which the last 5 minutes changed the entire first 2 hours of the movie, the Twist, as it were, which Cannot be guessed, and cannot be revealed, is very "Unexpected". Once the initial panic is over, the confusion sets in, this is the time Big Brother steps in and you no longer have that cushy 100% freedom you treasure so Dearly. Well, get Used to it.

A confusing and contradictory prophecy. There will be a huge catastrophe that results in the loss of freedom, but there will also be a series of Waco events and a worldwide civil war. In fact, according to Z, almost anything big can happen anywhere in the world and still fit his predictions.

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Marshall Law [sic] is not legally declared in the US. Elections have continued to take place, although some have been sped up to a point many of us thought was almost ludicrous. In some cases an individual post had been filled by means of special elections within less than 2 months.

Spelling has not improved much in the following generation: and the small spelling error probably is an indication of an unfamiliarity with the concepts involved, which works against his overall story, right? The rest of the prediction is nonsense.

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Q. What does history say about the Middle East during this decade? What does history say about the US?

A. That Muhammad was a prophet, that Allah was Great, that the mere freedoms we all took for granted in the U.S. were the very things the Arabs in the Middle East were despondent against. History considers the U.S. capitalists in every sense of the word. Led about like a dollar bill hanging from a string on a stick in front of a Donkey. The Rest of the world considers the U.S. as feeling as if they are "Better" than any other country. The Citizens of the US feel their ancestors of your time were blindsided and truly insignificant. Everybody likes to ask about the [Titor] War, that is a question I receive all too often, what causes it, when does it start, who do we fight, who lives, who dies. I find it quite disconcerting, as the reality of the situation is that the war has already begun. I wonder if anybody here knows the current amount of U.S. troops on foreign soil?

This is nothing but a freestyle attempt to imitate the Titor voice, and is infused with undigested Titor ideas mashed together and topped off with a non sequitur. Nor does it answer the question; nor is the use of the word "despondent" correct. One is not "despondent against" something. The battle-weary Titor was clear and eloquent most of the time-- this Z is full of shit, and his sloppy attempt to copy Titor hurts the eyes.

[SmokeRingHalo]

I agree. Nothing has been predicted that couldn't already be seen coming and/or hasn't been predicted before.
With the exception of the riddles of course.